It’s time for the great ethics debate! In this corner, Jackie and Diana ready to convince the listeners that the BACB ethics code fails to do enough to support meaningful ethical problem solving in the repertoire of behavior analysts. And, coming all the way from the other side of the podcast-o-sphere, it’s Rob with special guest, Dr. Allen Karsina, ready to tangle in support of the current code because rules are the scaffolding that holds our moral wills and skills to be ethical together.