"Retired from Sugaree, but not retired from baking," declares George.  Just in time for the holiday season, pie expert Pat Rutherford-Pettine, former owner of Sugaree Baking Company, joins the podcast to share her secrets to baking the perfect pie. Whether you're a beginner or a seasoned pro, Pat has tips for everyone. Here's what you'll learn: The secret to great pie dough Why quality ingredients matter—and where to find them in St. Louis The best pie pans: which material works best? Mastering pie fillings: the keys to perfect fruit pies and what to avoid with pumpkin pie and pecan pie The best pie for novice bakers to start with And if baking still feels too daunting, hosts George Mahe and Cheryl Baehr share their picks for the best pies around town. Tune in and get ready to "wow" your friends and family this holiday season! Listen and follow Arch Eats on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever podcasts are available. This episode is sponsored by The Train Shed. The pop-up cocktail experience Sleigh Shed returns this holiday season through December 31 as Train Shed at Union Station transforms into a glittering holiday destination! Reserve your seat at trainshed-stl.com.  Have an idea for a future Arch Eats episode? Send your thoughts or feedback to [email protected]. Hungry for more? Subscribe to our Dining newsletters for the freshest coverage on the local restaurant and culinary scene. And follow George (@georgemahe) and SLM on Instagram (@stlouismag). Interested in being a podcast sponsor? Contact Lauren Leppert at [email protected]. Mentioned in this episode: Frank & Helen’s Pizzeria: 8111 Olive, University City, 314-997-0666. Brasas: 6138 Delmar, Delmar Loop, 314-256-1937. Sugaree Baking Co.: 1242 Tamm, Clayton-Tamm, 314-645-5496. Pint Size Bakery: 3133 Watson, Lindenwood Park, 314-645-7142. The Blue Owl: 6116 Second, Kimmswick, 636-464-3128. Helfer’s Pastries: 380 Saint Ferdinand, Florissant, 314-837-6050. Federhofer’s: 9005 Gravois, Affton, 314-832-5116. Edera: 48 Maryland, Central West End, 314-361-7227. La Bonne Bouchée: 12344 Olive, Creve Coeur, 314-576-6606. Sugarfire Pie: 9200 Olive, Olivette, 314-736-6300. Mauki’s Bakery & Country Store: 1730 South 8th, Soulard, 314-202-8106. Pie on the Fly: 614 N Main, O'Fallon, MO, 636-294-3300. The Parkmoor: 220 W Lockwood, Webster Groves, 314-938-5554. Smokehouse Market: 16806 Chesterfield Airport, Chesterfield, 636-532-3314. Cravings: 8149 Big Bend, Webster Groves, 314-961-3534. You may also enjoy these SLM articles: Where to order Thanksgiving dinner in St. Louis Arch Eats Podcast: Turkey Tips & Thanksgiving Wine Pairings More episode of Arch Eats See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.