The way I look at it, there are two forces at work to growing a sustainable writing business, or any business for that matter.  There are external elements that people see: the websites, the blog, the books, the client conversations, the work you produce, and so forth. But then there is also the internal element—the mental and emotional journey you are taking. When you start taking your business seriously, it feels like the external elements are going to be what make or break you. You think it’s all about learning to connect with certain types of people or understanding the craft of writing. But as you get your feet wet and establish yourself a bit, you come to understand that it’s really more about the mental and emotional journey you’re taking. People typically don’t self-destruct because they don’t know how to write a book outline or they get something wrong when putting their book on Amazon. They self-destruct because they haven’t gotten a handle on their emotional and mental life as a creative and a business owner. That’s why I’m honored and excited to have my friend, Chris Morris, as a guest today on the show. He’s going to help us navigate some of these issues from the perspective of building our resilience and mental health as writers and business owners. Chris is the author of the excellent new book, Resilient and Redeemed: Lessons About Suicidality and Depression from the Psych Ward. He’s written several other books on topics such mental health, faith, and chronic illness. Chris is also the host of the “Resilience and Other Things” podcast. I got to know Chris a number of years ago through my good friend, Jim Woods. I soon discovered that Chris, who is accountant by trade, was not only a thoughtful and kind person, but one of the most gifted writers I know. Let me share a bit about Chris in his own words. This is from the bio section of his website, https://chrismorriswrites.com. He says, “I spend my time writing about how to balance faith and difficult times. I have both mental illnesses and chronic illnesses, but I’m learning to thrive anyway. I’ve never been good friends with normal, but I’m well-acquainted with disappointment and pain. I guess that’s why Redefining Normal is part of the code here, because it’s been part of my journey.” Chris and I talk about several topics in this conversation, including: Why writers and creatives often uniquely struggle with mental health. The role that writing has played in his recovery. How he finds resilience in dark times. Practices and routines for staying mentally healthy. His thoughts on publishing pathways for authors. And more! You can check out Chris’s books and podcast at https://chrismorriswrites.com. * * * Today’s episode is sponsored by Karen Hunsanger, an incredible editor known as “The Word Wizard.” I’ve worked with Karen many times, and she is your secret weapon for crafting the highest-quality book possible. Visit the link above for a free sample edit.