Brian Thomas Swimme did his doctoral work in gravitational dynamics in the Department of Mathematics at the University of Oregon. From the publication of The Universe Is a Green Dragon to the Emmy Award–winning PBS documentary Journey of the Universe, Swimme has articulated the cosmology of a creative universe, one in which human intelligence plays an essential role. For three decades as a professor in the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, he taught evolutionary cosmology to graduate students in the humanities. Currently he is director of the Third Story of the Universe at Human Energy, a nonprofit public benefit organization. A detailed description of his books and media works can be found at storyoftheuniverse.org. About the documentary, Journey of the Universe. Human Energy presents Story of the Noosphere Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Transcript of this interview Interview recorded September 18, 2022 Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.