If there’s one thing we’ve learned from this podcast so far, it’s that things aren’t meant to be perfect. But try telling that to a perfectionist. Zoë Foster Blake, a self-described perfectionist, doesn’t always see it as a positive trait. In her conversation with Clare Stephens, she shares what she’s learned about embracing failure, recognising when she needs space to recharge, and the interviews and events she chooses not to do. Is Zoë Foster Blake happy? You’ll have to listen to find out. THE END BITS Subscribe to Mamamia Zoë’s book Things Will Calm Down Soon is out 1 October (RRP 32.99, Atlantic Books Australia). You can find out more here. GET IN TOUCH: Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] to share your feedback about the show or to suggest a guest.  CREDITS: Host: Clare Stephens Guest: Zoë Foster Blake Executive Producer: Naima Brown Producer: Tahli Blackman Audio Producer: Scott Stronach Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Support the show: https://www.mamamia.com.au/mplus/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.