Karl Vaters interviews Matt Lucas about starting your congregation on the road to spiritual maturity through increasing their Bible reading. Specifically, how reading the Bible at least four times a week is so powerful, it's been called "The Power of Four." Matt is the CEO of Our Daily Bread (known for their quarterly devotionals) and The Center for Bible Engagement. Karl and Matt talk about: What is The Power of Four?Why does reading the Bible 4+ times a week make such a difference in spiritual maturity?The importance of reading and hearing the Bible in churchHelpful ways to gauge spiritual maturityHow to use Power of Four to help a congregation become more mature Links: Bible Engagement: A Key to Spiritual GrowthCenter for Bible EngagementA Non Anxious Presence by Mark Sayers Bonus Content SummaryA Congregational Survey to Help Track Your Congregation’s Spiritual Maturity, with Matt Lucas How do you know if your congregation is maturing? Tracking church attendance is not enough. Matt Lucas and the team at Our Daily Bread are creating a powerful new tool to help pastors and their congregations. In this Bonus Material, Karl Vaters talks with Matt as he shows us this new tool, explaining what it will do, how easy it will be, and how you’ll be able to use it to lead your congregation well.