Josh is irritated at a letter his nephew's friend was sent from her church disfellowshipping her.  We discuss church discipline and whether its necessary or not, and end up on the scandals of ministers like Ravi Zacharias and Jean Vanier... where there was an obvious lack of discipline and accountability.   We say a few nice words about Carman too.   http://www.catacombpodcast.com twitter: @CatacombP