"The poem must resist the intelligence / Almost successfully." So begins this episode's poem, "Man Carrying Thing [https://poets.org/poem/man-carrying-thing]," by the modernist American poet Wallace Stevens. I got to talk about it with the scholar and poet Kimberly Quiogue Andrews [https://www.kqandrews.com/]. Kim is an assistant professor of English at the University of Ottawa and the author of The Academic Avant-Garde: Poetry and the American University [https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/12559/academic-avant-garde] (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2023). She's also a poet who has published two collections: A Brief History of Fruit [http://shop.btpubservices.com/Title/9781629221618] (University of Akron Press, 2020) and BETWEEN [https://www.amazon.com/Between-Womens-Kimberly-Quiogue-Andrews/dp/1635345073] (Finishing Line Press, 2018). She's the winner of the Akron Prize for Poetry, the New Women's Voices Award, the Ralph Cohen Prize for Criticism, and a development grant from the American Council of Learned Societies. Her essays and scholarship have appeared in such publications as The Los Angeles Review of Books, Contemporaries at Post45, Modernist Cultures, and New Literary History. Her creative work has appeared in The Florida Review, The Asian American Literary Review, Poetry Northwest, and Crab Orchard Review. Follow Kim on Twitter [https://twitter.com/kqandrews]. And please follow, rate, and review the podcast if you like what you hear. Share the episode with a friend! And subscribe to my Substack [https://kamranjavadizadeh.substack.com/], where you'll get a newsletter to go with each episode.