One of those poems that makes you feel like its ending is perfect, inevitable. I talked with Maya C. Popa [https://www.mayacpopa.com/] about Gerard Manley Hopkins's "Spring and Fall [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44400/spring-and-fall]."  Maya is a poet, critic, scholar, and teacher. She is the author of two full-length collections of poetry: American Faith [https://www.sarabandebooks.org/titles-20192039/american-faith-maya-catherine-popa] (Sarabande, 2019) and Wound is the Origin of Wonder [https://wwnorton.com/books/wound-is-the-origin-of-wonder] (Norton, 2022). She is the poetry reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and teaches creative writing at the Nightingale-Bamford School and NYU. She has a Ph.D. from Goldsmiths, University of London, on the role of wonder in poetry, a topic she writes about in her Substack [https://mayacpopa.substack.com/]. You can also follow Maya on Twitter [https://twitter.com/MayaCPopa]. As ever, if you're enjoying the podcast, make sure you're following it. Leave a rating or review, and share an episode with a friend. Subscribe to my Substack [https://kamranjavadizadeh.substack.com/] for thoughts and links to go with each episode.