I talked with my friend Sarah Osment [https://twitter.com/sm_osment] about "Governors on Sominex [https://allpoetry.com/poem/14330614-Governors-On-Sominex-by-David-Berman]," a poem by David Berman [https://poets.org/poet/david-berman]. In addition to being a poet, Berman was the frontman and lyricist of the band Silver Jews [https://www.dragcity.com/artists/silver-jews]. Sarah works in the Writing Program at the University of Chicago, where she teaches courses in Media Aesthetics. She has devoted her intellectual energy to more public-facing projects since earning her PhD in English  from Brown University in 2016: she is the co-founder of Hyped on Melancholy [https://www.hypedonmelancholy.com/], an online magazine devoted to smart words about sad songs and the reasons we cleave to them. Sarah's own essay for Hyped—on Wilson Phillips's "Hold On" and much else besides—is here [https://www.hypedonmelancholy.com/sarah]. She is also co-editor, along with David Hering, of a recent cluster of essays [https://post45.org/sections/contemporaries-essays/david-berman/] on the poetry and music of David Berman published at Post45. Please follow, rate. and review the podcast if you like what you hear, and share an episode with a friend. And subscribe to my Substack [https://kamranjavadizadeh.substack.com/], where you'll get a newsletter to go with each episode.