"How can we know the dancer from the dance?" You may know the line, even if you don't know the poem it ends. I had the great pleasure of talking with one of the most accomplished poetry critics of our time, Dan Chiasson [https://www.wellesley.edu/english/faculty/chiassond], about that poem, William Butler Yeats's fascinating "Among School Children [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43293/among-school-children]." Dan Chiasson was born and raised in the city of Burlington, Vermont, and received a BA in 1993 from Amherst College and a PhD from Harvard University in 2002. He has written regularly for The New Yorker [https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/dan-chiasson] and The New York Review of Books [https://www.nybooks.com/contributors/dan-chiasson/]. Chiasson is the author of six books, including five books of poetry, most recently The Math Campers [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646885/the-math-campers-by-dan-chiasson/] (Knopf, 2020), and one book of criticism, One Kind of Everything: Poem and Person in Contemporary America [https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/O/bo4248227.html] (Chicago, 2007). He is at work on a study of politics and change in American life, Bernie for Burlington: His Rise in a Changing Vermont, 1964-1991, based partly on his own close observation of Sanders since Chiasson was nine years old. Dan Chiasson is Lorraine Chao Wang Professor of English at Wellesley College. Please follow, rate, and review the podcast if you like what you hear. Spread the word, and share an episode with a friend. Finally, follow my Substack [https://kamranjavadizadeh.substack.com/], where you'll get a newsletter to go with each episode.