In this episode, Xavier Bonilla has a dialogue with Matthew Cobb about the moral history of genetic engineering. They discuss his reasons for writing the book and why one should be worried about genetic engineering. They define genetic engineering and some of the precursor tools before the advent of recombinant DNA. They discuss recombinant DNA, Paul Berg, and Asilomar. They also talk about the genetic history of GMOs, gene editing/CRISPR, the future of genetic engineering, and many more topics. Matthew Cobb is Professor of Zoology at the University of Manchester. He has interests in human and animal behavior and is a well-established science communicator. He is the author of numerous books including the most recent, As Gods: A Moral History of The Genetic Age. Twitter: @matthewcobb This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit convergingdialogues.substack.com