While deciding to divorce is always a hard decision and not something anyone wants, for some people it becomes very clear that this is what needs to happen. Often times this involves infidelity, domestic abuse or addiction problems. For others, making the decision is much more challenging. They get along OK with their spouse, don't really argue, parent well together, can make decisions together but there's something's missing. Usually it's a lack of intimacy - physical and/or emotional. It's a roommate marriage. These are the hardest marriages to end. People agonize over the decision for months, even years. Couples counselling often doesn't help but you don't want to make a mistake and you don't want to hurt your spouse. Is there a way for you to change the dynamic with your spouse? Can you be sure that you won't be making a mistake if you divorce? How do you engage your spouse in this? Joining Mandy for this Conversation are world-renowned relationship experts Doctors John Gottman and Julie Schwartz Gottman. For forty years, the Gottmans have studied what separates the masters of relationships from the disasters. They have a new book out - EIGHT DATES: Essential Conversations For A Lifetime Of Love. Find out more about the Gottmans and their work at https://www.gottman.com. You'll find a synopsis of this show at Mandy's blog at https://sincemydivorce.com/sure-divorce-8-dates-help/