This week we chat with Tony Van Eerd about what comes after Post Modern C++, what the single most important principle for good code is, and what Dr. Seuss and Shakespear have to do with all this. The off-by-one jokes are regular, or at least semi-regular, but what proposals has Tony killed? And how can opening your mind to unexpected ways of thinking lead you to better code? Special Guest: Tony Van Eerd. Links: C++17 in Tony TablesC++20 in Tony TablesTony's CppCon lightning talk, 'The Songs of My People' — not the one referenced in the pastPost Modern C++ (at C++ Now 2017)Post Modern C++ (at CppCon 2017)Post Modern C++ (at C++ meetup Prague 2020)Dave Abrahams: how to design a good library