Formerly on the Apple design prototype team that brought us, among other things, the Pencil, and the Siri experience team that put voices in our cars and televisions, Linda Dong and Lia Napolitano join Guy and Rene in a chat recorded right after WWDC 2016 in June… but saved as a special holiday...

Don Melton, former Director of Internet Technologies at Apple, and Nitin Ganatra, former Director of iOS Apps at Apple, talk to Guy and Rene about handling transitions, taking Mozilla open-source, going to OS X, going to Intel, going to iOS, and saying "no".