Formerly on the Apple design prototype team that brought us, among other things, the Pencil, and the Siri experience team that put voices in our cars and televisions, Linda Dong and Lia Napolitano join Guy and Rene in a chat recorded right after WWDC 2016 in June… but saved as a special holiday...

Ashley Nelson-Hornstein, formerly of Apple and Dropbox, joins Guy and Rene to talk about making everything more accessible, going independent, and what happens next.