It was an era in which lawmakers and office holders learned that imprecision could actually work to their benefit to allow them to do what they wanted to because there was unclear codification in the law. And so yes, everybody talks about, we have to revise this law or get rid of this law or replace this law. But I want to say, it's not about that. It's about what constitutes a legitimately written, voted upon law. And I think that's something we still haven't countered since 9/11. Karen Greenberg A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on the War on Terror here. Karen Greenberg is the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law, a fellow at New America, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Her new book is Subtle Tools: The Dismantling of American Democracy from the War on Terror to Donald Trump. Key Highlights Include The origin of the AUMF and the Department of Homeland SecurityKaren Greenberg describes the subtle toolsThe link between the War on Terror and President TrumpHow will history view the 2020 electionIs the United States an illiberal democracy? Key Links Subtle Tools: The Dismantling of American Democracy from the War on Terror to Donald Trump by Karen Greenberg Vital Interests Podcast with Karen Greenberg Follow Karen Greenberg on Twitter @KarenGreenberg3 Related Content Charles Kupchan on America's Tradition of Isolationism Can America Preserve Democracy without Retreating from it? Robert C. Lieberman on the Four Threats More from the Podcast More Information Democracy Group Apes of the State created all Music Email the show at [email protected] Follow on Twitter @DemParadox Follow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast 100 Books on Democracy