In this episode, Chris Harbert interviews Rik Marselis, a thought leader in the software testing industry and principal quality consultant at Sogeti Labs. Rick shares his journey into software testing, starting with his experience testing COBOL programs and his involvement in testing for the Y2K bug. They discuss the importance of foresight in software quality and the challenges of balancing agile development and quality goals. Rick also explains the value of certifications in the industry and the need for standardized terminology. They conclude by discussing the benefits of DevOps and cross-functional teams in improving software quality. Developers Who Test Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Rik Marselis on LinkedIn Chris Harbert on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sponsored by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Testery --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/testery-inc/message