Prologue This week, long-time friend and well-known industry personality, Jessica Hebenstreit joins Rafal to talk about her journey in consulting to very large security programs and why maturity is elusive in many of those programs. As it turns out, maturity is influenced by many factors but highly dependent on actually solving problems and being able to show progress. This is an interesting conversation for anyone who wants to understand what's inside the head of a former practitioner who has ventured into the field to help others solve large-scale, complex, problems. Guest Jessica Hebenstreit LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicahebenstreit/  LinkedIn Live stream: (video!) https://www.linkedin.com/video/event/urn:li:ugcPost:6960010458405756928/