On this week’s episode, I sit down with Ruth Dungan. Ruth talks to me about her struggles with conceiving. After a devastating journey through IVF, she watched Rosanna Davidson on the Late Late talking about having her baby through surrogacy and, Ruth thought we can do that and started to work on the process. She talks to me about the horrible effects infertility can have on a couple: why me and why us. She talks to me about the process of surrogacy, the overwhelming elation of getting handed her Lottie, and the surprise devastation for her surrogate, she talks to me about her non-existing rights as a mother and the campaigning they are doing to change this. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.