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FACE-OFF is an eight-episode podcast about how China and the United States, once friends, are now foes. 
FACE-OFF is hosted by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jane Perlez, former New York Times Beijing bureau chief and current fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center. In each episode Professor Rana Mitter, recently of the University of Oxford and now professor of modern China at the Harvard Kennedy School, chats with Jane on what’s at stake.

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FACE-OFF is an eight-episode podcast about how China and the United States, once friends, are now foes. 
FACE-OFF is hosted by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jane Perlez, former New York Times Beijing bureau chief and current fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center. In each episode Professor Rana Mitter, recently of the University of Oxford and now professor of modern China at the Harvard Kennedy School, chats with Jane on what’s at stake.

    Espionage

    Espionage

    Two young CIA agents were flown to northern China in 1952, part of a bizarre Cold War operation to overthrow Mao Zedong. The plane crashed. The two Americans were arrested, and jailed for 20 years. We fast forward to today and turn the tables: How does China spy on the US now? Who is ahead in the fight over the new technologies?
    Guests: John DeLury, author, Agents of Subversion; Nigel Inkster, former director operations, MI6; former agent in Beijing. 

    Details about John Delury’s compelling book that tells the story of how two CIA operatives were captured in China and how they endured 20 years in jail. 
    https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501765971/agents-of-subversion/

    Nigel Inkster’s book about the US and China, the two big tech competitors.   
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Great_Decoupling/K4xfzQEACAAJ?hl=en

    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 34 min
    The Relationship

    The Relationship

    Xi Jinping and Joe Biden met on a basketball court in China in 2011 when they were vice presidents. They later toasted each other in Washington. They’ve spent many hours together. Much has changed. Can they hold the center together? 

    Guest: Minxin Pei, Chinese born professor of government Claremont McKenna College; author of Surveillance State and other books on China.

     Jane’s first podcast about how Washington got it all wrong on Xi Jinping. 
    https://shorensteincenter.org/podcast-on-the-trail-of-xi-jinping/

    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 32 min
    Cultural Threads

    Cultural Threads

    From his studio in Boston, Yo-Yo Ma tells us how music eases tensions between American and Chinese people, even as Washington and Beijing are at each other’s throats. 
    Guests: Yo Yo Ma; Hai Ye Ni, principal cellist, Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra
    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 20 min
    Doomsday

    Doomsday

    China is rapidly expanding its nuclear arsenal even as arms control treaties are shredded. Can China and the U.S. come to the table and agree to nuclear arms control accords? Should Artificial Intelligence control nuclear weapons?  
    Guest: Tong Zhao; Chinese born nuclear expert now at Carnegie China in DC 
    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 27 min
    Apple in China

    Apple in China

    Apple, one of the world’s most valuable companies, depends on China, America’s biggest adversary, to manufacture its iPhones. Apple employs millions of contract workers in China. Is this marriage heading for the rocks? What will Apple and China do to keep their marriage intact? 
    Guests: Prof. Willy Shih, Harvard Business School; Wayne Ma, tech reporter, The Information
    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 31 min
    Spies in the Sky

    Spies in the Sky

    An American surveillance plane and a Chinese fighter jet collide near the Chinese coast in 2001.  Smart diplomacy by a former American Navy Admiral results in the release of two dozen American airmen and women from detention in China. Today, tensions between the countries are much higher, their planes are flying within feet of each other. There are fears a similar collision could result in war.  
    Guest: Admiral Scott Swift, former Commander US Pacific Fleet.
    Sound design, original score, mixing and mastering by Rowhome Productions.
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    • 32 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
52 Ratings

52 Ratings

Crypto Paul ,

Well done and credible

This is one of the best China focused podcasts out there, and one of the big differences is the in-country and on-issue experience brought to by the host, the excellent Jane Perlez. Jane brings a lot to each episode, letting the guest carry the show but adding great insights all along the way. Refreshing also that the podcast does not have an agenda or spin, with really good expert guests and frank but no -ideological takes on the many tough issues in the US China relationship, the most important foreign policy issue of our time. Bravo!!

Steven Allas ,

Deep dive into the China question

Fantastic examination of the necessary and difficult relationship between two superpowers. Dr. Mitter’s analysis provide further understanding of the nuances on China. Jane does an excellent job as usual. Looking forward to season two!

Bill_FL ,

Important Work

Face Off does an excellent job raising important issues on US China dynamics. It impacts us all.

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