This is not a fun episode. It starts with a tragedy, that fueled a whole field of research. Continues into disbelief, that one aspect of fire safety can be at the same chosen as the sole foundation of fire safety within a branch of engineering, and at the same time at a pretty low, clearly insufficient level... And then comes the true shocker - solutions exist and we just don't use them. Because of, who knows why. An unknown force... Ok, I have spoiled you a bit, but it is absolutely worth hearing the full story that my guest, dr Anja Hofmann-Böllinghaus has to deliver. It is a journey through the world of the resistance to fire and at the same time the frustration and challenges that fire engineers have to go through. And above everything, it is a call for making busses and other means of mass transport safer, by employing the knowledge and solutions we already have! If you liked it, please take a minute to connect with Anja on her Twitter and LinkedIn  If you would like to learn more about the fire safety of means of transport, please check out these items: Anja Hofmann, Steffen Dülsen, Michael Försth, Jonas Brandt. What can we learn from European train fire safety regulations for fire safety regulations for busses? FIVE 2018, October 2dn – 3rd 2019, Boras, Sweden - in proceedings of FIVE 2018Krueger, Simone; Hofmann, Anja; Berger, Anka; et al. Investigation of smoke gases and temperatures during car fire - large-scale and small-scale tests and numerical investigationsAnja Hofmann, Steffen Dülsen, Georg Scholzen. Rapid fire spread in a bus depot fire. FIVE (Fire in vehicles) Conference 2014, October, 1-2, 2014 in Berlin - in proceedings of FIVE 2014A. Hofmann, S. Dülsen, A. Klippel. Problems in bus fire safety – recent developments and possible solutions. Fire and Materials Conference, 28.-30.1.2013, San Francisco, USAAlso, please check the website of the Fires In VEchicles (FIVE) conferences, which is possibly the best place to learn about the issues and solutions within this sector  - https://www.ri.se/en/five