We’re living in a time of great upheaval , from the biological (a pandemic), to the social (the state of faith in America), to the political (deep polarization). It can be tempting to give into the darkness and just assume we’re all doomed.  But is there a case for optimism and hope that the next generation might even be better than the current one? Rabbi Lamm had on the President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, #1 New York Times best-selling author, and amazing friend of the pod, Pastor Sam Rodriguez to talk about all this. Along the way they covered the the state of faith in America, the continued relevance of the Book of Kings, the role of pop culture in religious life, why Dune has killed it at the box office, and how the Hispanic community is changing the face of American culture for the better!