Karl Vaters joined me to discuss how to manage change in the church in ways that spiritually healthy. Karl is pastor at Cornerstone Christian Fellowship in Fountain Valley, CA, the author of several books, and the host of the Can This Work In a Small Church podcast. His book, Small Church Essentials, was the jumping off point for our conversation today. You can follow his other work here, or at @KarlVaters on Twitter. Good Ideas for Churches is a joint project between Matt Whitman's The Ten Minute Bible Hour and Eyes Up. Have a good idea? Something that's helped your church? Something that's made the Gospel make sense to people in your community? I'd love to hear from you! Shoot me an email at [email protected].