This is part 2 of Gary's appearance on a podcast called Instructions Sold Separately which is produced by the team at Swiss 8. In this bonus episode you'll hear him talk frankly about his dismissal from the cops, and also the skills he uses to de-escalate situations. Search for Swiss 8 Instructions Sold Separately to find out more about this podcast. Swiss 8 is a health promotion charity, founded by Australian Combat Veterans. Their core focus is building digital interventions to adjustment disorder, anxiety and depression. The Swiss 8 app gives users the tools to build a routine around 8 pillars of health and lifestyle. In turn reducing anxiety and helping them become more focused, motivated and ready to excel at life. Season 3 of I Catch Killers is coming soon. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.