Episode 4! We made it despite feeling like the world is ending! Abbie starts off crying in the intro talking about the virus that she said she DID NOT want to talk about, but then makes up for it by giving you a bomb episode with ZARA MCDONALD and MICHELLE ANDREWS, hosts and founders of Shameless and Love Etc. They talk about what COVID-19 was like at the time of recording (11 days ago... which feels like 11 years ago) and give advice to a listener who is feeling insecure about her boyfriend liking photos of girls who look nothing like her. Then, they talk about Zara and Michelle's amazing careers thus far, and you are gifted with some advice. Michelle and Zara host Shameless and Love Etc, both of which you should listen to RIGHT NOW if you're part of the 1% of my listeners who don't already. Socials: Abbie Chatfield @abbiechatfield It's A Lot Pod @itsalotpod Zara McDonald @zamcdonald Michelle Andrews @michelleandrews1 Shameless Podcast @shamelesspodcast For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy