Welcome to another bonus episode of It’s No Secret! Money Moments is where we chat to real Kiwis about their experience with money - the good, the bad and the hilarious.  Today on the pod, we're joined by brothers Tom & Ben Grooten. The Grooten family has been a part of New Zealand's FMCG market over the last 40 years, founding and running Dad's Pies and The Baker's Son. Tom and Ben, as General Manager and Sales Manager respectively, have had an active role in the company for over 8 years. With over 140 employees, the company and Grootens have achieved a lot for their community over last 40 years. In this episode, we chat about:  Tom and Ben's personal money habits, growing up as first generation New Zealanders, with two very Dutch parents,some of the challenges and successes in creating such a business,teaching kids about money and investing,continuing the legacy of a successful family business, how they encourage and support their employee wellbeing,  their views on success and how this is reflected in much more than simply a balance sheet.…and lots more good stuff. We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did!  Don’t forget to SUBSCRIBE to It's No Secret, wherever you listen to podcasts and never miss an episode:  Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts and more Join the conversation on: Instagram @itsnosecretnz