New York Times' Bestselling author, Jemar Tisby, joins Mark and Rex to discuss his book The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church's Complicity in Racism. TRANSCRIPT 0:00 Hey everyone, welcome to the jest of thing podcast. I'm Taylor, the producer of the show. I'm here to let you know that these summer episodes are reruns of previous episodes from season two of the show. These were handpicked by Mark and Rex themselves. 0:14 And here they are with a few thoughts. Hey, everyone, welcome back into our second rerun of the summer. And we're actually going to be doing a two parter here. 0:23 We're going to be looking at our conversation with historian jemar tisby. And we've actually had him on twice it was it was actually a couple of months apart, but you're going to get him back to back yes with two of the important books he's written 0:36 in this first episode is going to be looking at his his first New York Times best selling book, which is the color of compromise the truth about the American churches complicity in racism. Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host, Mark Moore, and your co host Rex Gurney. And on the show today, we are excited to have new york time best selling author jemar tisby. This is the first time we've had a New York Times bestselling authors. First time Yeah. We have we had last time but the first time but jomar is the author of the color of compromise the truth about the American churches complicity and racism and Rex This is really a show that is continuing the conversation right on race and racism in America and in the church. And what is our role to, to combat that racism and and to choose another way in Jim Marrs book and this this conversation I think is so important for us to continue to have. He takes a historical look at how the church has has either been silently involved or overtly. And it's a look that we have to take to be able to move forward. 1:58 Hey, Jemar, thank you so much for joining us on the show. And excited to have you I thought we start with a little bit of common ground. I was reading your bio. So you're born and raised kind of in the Chicago area. 2:11 That's right north of Chicago, 2:14 north of Chicago and I and then you did your undergrad at Notre Dame go Irish? Yes, I did. And there we go. So I was born and raised in Indiana. Okay, and so small town, Indiana, though, I think Yeah, a very small town. But I did I did make the pilgrimage up to Notre Dame. And and we went there a couple times on game day night, never inside, but just just hanging out outside. And well. 2:42 It's gorgeous here. So even going out there is Yeah. What did you do one time? 2:47 It really is the cameras beautiful. One time I was there. And somehow the doors were open. And I walked down. I was with my soccer team actually in high school and we walked down onto the football field and just started running around and basically acting like Rudy got kicked out by security. 3:09 Oh, that's great. I don't think I've ever been on the grass of the field. So you had a deeper football experience was that I did. Although I agreed to go I counted it up one time. And between undergrad in the year after I graduated, I got to go to 24 straight home games. Oh, wow. Yeah. Mexico, so I have absolutely no football afterwards. 3:34 That's true. That's true. I'm pretty hopeless down there. But it's good. Good to have another, you know, Irish fan on the show. Now you're currently down in the Mississippi River Delta. Here on the Arkansas side. 3:49 That's right. That's right. It's always Alright, using two people. I mean, the language is confusing because it's called the Mississippi Delta. And then of course, people think of the state, but it's really about the river. And then right it spans Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana. So I always have to specify on the on the Arkansas side of the river, but the delta is a region and