In this episode we are delighted to welcome Reverend Dr John Seymour who is presently an interim minister in a parish in Hillingdon. His previous ministry has included work as a school chaplain, teaching at a theological college and parish ministry in the East End of London. He has been involved in campaigning for LBGTI equality in the Church of England. A really fascinating and wide-ranging conversation this week.  Father John tells us about his journey to the priesthood and we discuss the difference between training to be a priest and a rabbi.  We delve into the thorny subject of gendered titles in different faiths, as well as touching upon gendered liturgy.  In 3 sentences Father John attempts to explain to 3 Jews about the Holy Trinity - does he succeed?  We also hear about the moves towards inclusion in the Church of England and how Father John experiences this as a gay man and an ordained Minister - does he see himself as breaking ground in this role?   Of course, Charley gets the Talmud into the conversation in the context of leadership and how it preserves dissenting views.   We hear about Charley and John’s conversations in pubs - and their gatecrashing of some “interesting” parties. And it’s December - so we play the game of Whamageddon (listen if you don’t know how to play).  Father John tells us about the meaning of Advent - and we learn that it is surprisingly heavy and similar to the month of Elul.  We also hear Father John’s views on the commercialisation of the season and all admit to loving the Christmas lights!  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.