This week Heidi and Bella spoke with ocean governance and marine debris researcher, Jordan Gacutan. Jordan is a PhD candidate at the University of NSW who is working closely with NGOs such as Tarangoa Blue to collect big data and identify the sources and sinks of plastic. What you'll learn from this episode: what is the source to sink pathway of marine debris?what is the role of NGOs and the government in this space?are we doing enough about the plastic problem?extra link: NSW Plastic Discussion PlanThanks again for joining us Jordan and as usual, let us know what you think by tagging @lifeonplaneta_podcast and #lifeonplaneta on our socials.