What's the deal with Joe Rogan? Is he a bro genius who's brought knowledge to the masses? An idiot failed actor who capitalized on conspiracy theories for his own selfish gain? Or is he... a government plant whose very existence is a plot to undermine the heroic podcasters you know and love??? We brough in the big guns for this episode - Arielle Nissenblatt and Lauren Passell are podcast experts with serious chops. And they think there's something fishy about ol' regular Joe. This episode we get deep into the weeds on the art and science of podcasting, and we're also kind of mean to Joe Rogan, but it seems like he can take it. Listen for a very funny and very meta episode!