Theatre wunderkinds and storytelling specialists Kevin Newbury and Kate Douglas join the podcast to tell stories about telling stories. Kevin and Kate discuss how universal themes, conflicts, and archetypes can be used as formulas for brainstorming; suggest some practices you should borrow from writing for the stage; and reveal which pandemic-era guilty pleasure can actually make you a more engaging storyteller. Topics 4:27    Translating events into a story   6:11    Why good storytelling is essential to your trial 8:25    Unleashing your creative beast 10:49  Summing up with loglines and taglines  12:57  Classic conflicts for framing your client’s case  14:36  Evoking an atmosphere to begin telling a story 16:50  Universal story themes  20:26  Nourishing your creativity 23:07  Importance of your elevator pitch 24:14  Dramaturgy in trial  27:59  How a trial is like a tv show 30:10  Defending the unsavory client 33:15  New Orleans Trial program 40:17  Signoff question  Quote “When we come [to NITA programs], it’s always so much fun to sit around the table with these incredible lawyers and judges and hear all of their stories. I love to ask all of them, ‘What’s the wildest, strangest case that you’ve had this year?’ and [with] every single one of them it’s like, ‘Well, that’s a good idea for a tv show,’ ‘Well, that should be a movie,’ and I find that a lot of lawyers and judges are good storytellers when they’re recounting the adventures of something they just went through.” Kevin Newbury Resources Kevin Newbury (bio) Kate Douglas (bio) Deposition Skills & Trial Skills: New Orleans (NITA course) Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind (book) The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories (book) Adam Gopnik in The New Yorker (article) The Secrets of Persuasive Legal Storytelling, with David Mann (podcast) Give ‘em the Ol’ Razzle Dazzle, with Dominic Gianna (podcast)