In this episode we interview Max Ajl, author of the new book A People’s Green New Deal.  In this discussion we talk to Ajl about his critiques of various forms of climate policy emanating from the capitalist and imperialist ruling class, and he situates the AOC/Markey Green New Deal as sharing a great deal ideologically and in terms of program with other capitalist so-called solutions to the climate crisis. He also discusses a different left horizon for climate change policy and struggle.