Product Journeys Fran Gleisner and Lauchlan Robertson

Here is a rerun of an episode with Elina. We had a lot of fun chatting to her, so we hope you enjoy this throwback.

Elina is a co-founder of Storyo, a platform that shares the journeys of women and gender diverse people in Aotearoa. With 170+ stories in the bag, Elina does a lot of advocacy work around diversity, equity, inclusion and storytelling. She works as an Experience Designer in the health sector, with a background in product and strategy. Combining her experience in the tech sector and passion for equity work, she recently launched an Equitable Product cohort course, alongside 4 other kick-ass facilitators.

We talked through lots of interesting things including:


Ethics and equity in product management
Read: Design Justice by Sasha Costanza-Chock
Listen: Asian in Aotearoa

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
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Today we have a rerun of an early episode talking to Ramanan Moorthy.

Ramanan is a Product Manager at Xero and has been with the company nearly 4 years. Ramanan is a pragmatic product leader who subscribes to modern product management practices. In the recent past, he contributed to the product community via Product Tank Auckland; by connecting NZ product people with international product thought- leaders. His career goal is to help demystify product management and help create good product leaders. His proudest achievement outside work is climbing Everest Base Camp which is about 5400m height in Himalayas.

Ramanan shared some awesome links, and we hope you enjoy them too:


Motivational mapping & Developmental plan https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPfuGJ-g=/
Success triangle http://cohenbrown.com/performance-grapevine/5-behaviors-that-effect-change-my-personal-journey/
Transformational listening https://productmasterynow.com/blog/384-why-listening-is-the-next-product-management-superpower-with-christine-miles/
1 Hour 1 Page https://medium.com/on-human-centric-systems/one-page-one-hour-c064e27009ee
Getting stakeholder buy-in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MWiLvMXXQ

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Here is a re-run of Season 1 Episode 30. We hope you enjoy this episode with Tanya Johnson.

Tanya has worked in product teams for 20+ years, with leadership roles spanning across strategy, product management, design, and software development. Specialising in high growth fast-scaling technology and SaaS companies, Tanya strives to create diverse team environments - championing the development of innovative products that reflect our communities.

Tanya leads multiple product and engineering teams in her role as Chief Product Officer at Auror, and is responsible for its ethical product development focus. Tanya understands the pivotal role software plays in minimising the harm to marginalised communities, and draws on her significant experience in tech and SaaS to navigate this path.

A champion of women's and LGBTQ+ voices, Tanya is the founder of the well-known organisation NZTech WomeNB (formerly Women in Tech), advocating for greater visibility, voices, and roles for women and non-binary people in the wider tech industry.

In this episode we talked about many things including:


How having 1-1s fills Tanya's cup and how she worked out what brings her joy at work
Executive coaches and mentoring new PMs
How diverse teams help solve problems
The secret sauce: what Tanya looks for in a Product Manager
AI: global responsibility and government legislation
Negative roadmaps (what's not on the roadmap)
Read: Intelligent Disobedience by Ira Chaleff and Shouting Zeros and Ones by Andrew Chen
Listen: We F*@kin Love Startups hosted by Troy Hammond

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We are back with a rerun of our conversation with Chloe Leon.

Chloe is an empathetic product leader with a passion for creating elegant solutions that solve real-world problems. Her background is in technology consulting which led to her to the world of Product Management. Chloe prides herself in continuous learning and building structures that lead to high performing, empowered product teams.

Here are some of the things we discussed during our conversation:


Learn customer empathy with Teresa Torres and Continuous Discovery Habits and the opportunity solution tree
Instrumentation and metrics - cost to serve and cost of acquisition 
Read: Gifts of Imperfection by Brene Brown
Listen: Freakonomics Radio 

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this Episode, Fran and Lauchlan reflect upon season one. They focus on the things that surprised them, the learnings they took away and some of the key points that resonated.

They would love to know what surprised you, what you learnt and what has resonated for you. And if you could choose one episode to re-run which episode would that be?

Our rapid fires:


Do you have any books or articles you would recommend?
Do you listen to any good podcasts?
What are you grateful for?
What is your call to action?

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this Episode, the final episode of Season 1, we talk to Melissa Firth.

Melissa Firth is an experienced software executive and product & CX leader with 25+ years in digital media, product development & innovation in B2C, B2B, SaaS and public sector. She’s currently working as a “fractional executive” helping kiwi tech companies realise their growth goals.Here are some of the key points we talked about:


Experimenting to learn is key when you're on leading edge of technology
Creating space for innovation is important and safe to fail spaces are a must
You need to understand the Profit and Loss (P&L) of products, go make friends with your finance department
You need to link value creation to value capture, the dollars are a direct connection to success of a product.
The missing 33% by Susan Colantuono
3 Horizons by Mckinsey
Running Lean by Ash Maurya
Hard fork with Kevin Roose and Casey Newton 
Lenny's podcast

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan RobertsonMusic Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.