Politics isn't what's dividing America, class is. This is the conclusion of Batya Ungar-Sargon, the deputy editor of Newsweek. After travelling the country and talking to cleaners, fast food workers, labourers and more, she says divisions between people with a university degree and blue collar...

Today Anna talks to Jesse about The Prism and teh the Rose and the Late Poems by Schaeffer Lemalu. She also mentions a book she's just started reading, The Financial Colonisation of Aotearoa.