Ben Thomas is a former National government press secretary, a columnist and a director of public affairs firm Capital. Sue Moroney is a former MP with the Labour Party and now chief executive of Community Law Centres Aotearoa.

Neale, Brigette and Kathryn discuss the aftermath of the US election, the introduction of the Treaty Principles Bill being brought forward, and the hīkoi to Wellington in protest of the Bill. Also, the government still has issues to resolve ahead of the apology to survivors of abuse in state care...