Kathryn, Stephen and Ben discuss the implications of the suspension of the Trans Tasman travel bubble and how New Zealanders will get home. Also the progression of the Covid vaccine rollout and discontent over the extent that police officers should be armed. Stephen Mills is the executive director of UMR Research , which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is former political adviser to two Labour governments. Ben Thomas is a PR consultant and a former National Government press secretary.