In this final, bonus podcast, join Helen Clark, Jim Bolger, Dame Jenny Shipley and Sir Geoffrey Palmer in conversation with Tim Watkin and Guyon Espiner, as we launch the book of the series, The 9th Floor.  

In part five of The 9th Floor, Guyon Espiner talks to Helen Clark about her three terms in power as she sought to draw a line under Rogernomics, unleash new social reforms and rethink New Zealand's place in the world.