Host, Gary Naylor, is joined by Pat Murphy, Mike Selvey and the man who held up The Urn at The Oval, the one and only David Gower. They look back to 1985 when Ian Botham swung the bat and Richard Ellison swung the ball and we thought it might always be this way. Our Player of the Pod is Phil DeFreitas, a supremely gifted cricketer whom England managed to drop and recall repeatedly. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.