Adam talks with American YouTube video essayist Natalie Wynn a.k.a ContraPoints about the practical challenges of being a YouTube creator, the weirdness of time spent on the internet, the therapeutic value of liminal spaces, Gamergate, on line harassment and the dark side of the internet, what Natalie learned from being judged by her own tribe, why she regretted her involvement with the Witch Trials of JK Rowling podcast, and how to avoid becoming obsessed with protecting your reputation on line. This conversation was recorded remotely on October 5th, 2023 Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing. Podcast artwork by Helen Green RELATED LINKS NATALIE WYNN PLAYING SUPERLIMINAL - 2021 (YOUTUBE) REVIEW OF SUPERLIMINAL by Matt Gardner - 2020 (FORBES) CONTRAPOINTS - THE WITCH TRAILS OF JK ROWLING - 2023 (YOUTUBE) THE WITCH TRIALS OF JK ROWLING PODCAST SERIES - 2023 (THE FREE PRESS WEBSITE) CONTRAPOINTS - JK ROWLING  CONTRAPOINTS - CRINGE - 2020 (YOUTUBE) NATALIE WYNN, CONTRAPOINTS - XOXO FESTIVAL - 2018 (YOUTUBE) RED LETTER MEDIA - THE PHANTOM MENACE REVIEW - 2009 (YOUTUBE) DEBUSSY PLAYLIST by ponyluvalol (SPOTIFY) HAROLD BUDD AND BRIAN ENO - THE PEARL - 1984 (YOUTUBE PLAYLIST OF 2005 REMASTER) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.