Adam talks with British fashion stylist, writer and social commentator Ayishat Akanbi about the life-changing epiphany that led to her wanting to change the tone of the conversation around social justice and the 'Culture Wars'. Plus, in the outro, a listener response to the Werner Herzog episode and Adam solves a few mysteries from the Christmas podcast. The conversation with Ayishat was recorded face-to-face in London on 28th August, 2023. Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing. Podcast artwork by Helen Green JON RONSON - THINGS FELL APART - 2024 (BBC SOUNDS) RELATED LINKS AYISHAT AKANBI - THE PROBLEM WITH WOKENESS (DOUBLE DOWN NEWS) - 2018 (YOUTUBE) EMPATHY IN BLACK AND WHITE FROM THE US TO THE UK (AYISHAT AKANBI AND JOHN WOOD JR.) - 2020 (YOUTUBE) IDENTITY AND EMPATHY (AYISHAT TALKS TO DAVE FULLER OF REBEL WISDOM) - 2020 (YOUTUBE) AYISHAT AKANBI - GUARDIAN INTERVIEW - 2019 (GUARDIAN) AYISHAT AKANBI - V&A INTERVIEW - 2016 (V&A WEBSITE) AYISHAT AKANBI - THE PROBLEM WITH CANCEL CULTURE (DOUBLE DOWN NEWS) - 2020 (YOUTUBE) A HISTORY OF WOKENESS by Aja Romano - 2020 (VOX WEBSITE) THE MYSTICAL POEMS OF RUMI (RUMI.ORG) AMERICAN FICTION (TRAILER) - 2024 (YOUTUBE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.