The L2 and DeFi discussion in relation to Bitcoin are perhaps some of the most important ones when determining the future of Bitcoin. It is clear Bitcoin will not be able to scale into the future, regardless of how much robust innovation we add to it through metaprotocol design.  However, ecosystem contributors such as Sovryn are working diligently to implement some of the cutting edge in Bitcoin scaling technologies to create favorable environments for development. We discuss with a core contributor to Sovryn, Edan Yago, the technical challenges in rolling out this type of infrastructure and break down the comparisons between existing side chains to Bitcoin which do not consider the same trust minimizing components.  The conversation explores many interesting facets to Bitcoin development and considers the reality of Bitcoin entering into a phase shift that renders all other chains redundant as Bitcoin infinite scalability becomes a reality as rollup technology becomes solidified. Topics: First up, How is Edan Yago and how did they get into the web3 space Next, Yago sheds light on the concepts of the trilemma of decentralization, scalability, and expressivity that the crypto community grapples with Then, discuss with a core contributor to Sovryn, Edan Yago, the technical challenges in rolling out this type of infrastructure Please like and subscribe on your favorite podcasting app! Sign up for a free newsletter: www.theblockrunner.com Follow us on: Youtube: https://bit.ly/TBlkRnnrYouTube Twitter: bit.ly/TBR-Twitter Telegram: bit.ly/TBR-Telegram Discord: bit.ly/TBR-Discord