Today Jack is joined once again by Gerry Ellis, a wildlife photographer and the founder of Globio - an environmental communications non-profit! Last time the duo chatted all about the Great Apes, but today they are focusing on Painted Dogs, Bat-Eared Foxes and what gives them hope! Gerry also offers Jack a piece of advice that everyone in the conservation sector has heard... have you ever considered getting a real job? Once you have listened to this, please make sure and check out Jack on Gerry's Podcast 'Talking Apes', you can find the episode here: https://talkingapes.org/posts/jack/ Useful Links Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We are @PangolinPodcast 💚 You can also follow Jack on Twitter (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@onlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@theonlyjackbaker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)! Listen to Talking Apes here: https://talkingapes.org Check out Talking Apes on Social Media: Twitter: @Talking_Apes Instagram: @TalkingApes_Podcast Check out GLOBIO on Social Media: Twitter: @ApesLikeUs Instagram: @ApesLikeUs Visit GLOBIO's Website: https://globio.org Music Credits: "Cambodian Odyssey" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com), Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ At The Shore by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3389-at-the-shore License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Monkoto by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4072-monkoto License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ AngloZulu by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3372-anglozulu License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Savannah (Sketch) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4323-savannah-sketch- License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license