Former National Security analyst turned author Jamie Metzel has written a book called Hacking Darwin. The book attempts to use storytelling to explore where we are as the new era of rewriting our cells and ourselves gets into full swing. Here he sits down with Eric to explore the negatives and positives of our seemingly ineluctable future of God-like power to rewrite biology. Together they discuss the role of story telling and fiction in understanding cutting edge science, the limits of bio-hacking regulation and the rise of mainland China as the outlying superpower of state sponsored experimentation.  Thank you to our sponsors: Personna Razors: Amazon.com/personna Code RAZORS25 Express VPN: Expressvpn.com/PORTAL Boll and Branch: BollAndBranch.com and use code PORTAL Lamps Plus: lampsplus.com/PORTAL