Surprise, another podcast! (Apparently Kelin’s was the “first”, so this is the “second.” But, from 2022-era Reboot, we have at least 3 older audio posts — I still think they’re excellent, so do check them out if you enjoy audio!) On certain slices of the internet, Ben Recht might be known as...

Today’s episode features independent designer, artist, and programmer Kelin Carolyn Zhang. We cover: - What she learned designing for a studio, Twitter, political campaigns - Why and how she made the jump to independent work - Why she's excited about AI as a new design material - How she and her...