In this episode, I speak with Pat Hiller. She was directly introduced to me by my mother’s friend. This episode covers topics that may be triggering for some people. [TW: SI, mention of su*c*de]. Pat had two, long, loving marriages, the first for more than 30 years and the second one just shy of 30. Unfortunately, she had to experience both of her husbands passing away, as well as several other people that were near and dear to her. She was kind enough to share her experience.