Tony talks with theologian and philosopher Tom Oord about God slamming doors shut, what the heck is a Nazarene, Campus Crusade stories, the shifting definition of holiness, church trials, hiking every week, the agency of all created beings, having more empathy for more complex creatures, which animals have consciousness, and having a model of God that works for the 21st century. Find out more about Tom and his work here: https://thomasjayoord.com/