Owen Slot and Chris Jones are joined by former France international and TV pundit Benjamin Kayser to discuss double European success for the French clubs at Twickenham, the state of the game on the other side of the Channel and whether a hybrid form of amateurism could be rugby's future. To enjoy more of our award-winning sports journalism, get a digital subscription to The Times and The Sunday Times today and get one month free - thetimes.co.uk/theruck   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.