This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by John Strand from Black Hills Information Security. John has both consulted and taught hundreds of organizations in the areas of security, regulatory compliance, and penetration testing.  He is a coveted speaker and much-loved SANS teacher. John is a contributor to the industry-shaping Penetration Testing Execution Standard and 20 Critical Controls frameworks.  He enjoys mountain biking, getting hurt mountain biking, sucking at surfing, and heavy music. January 17th 2022  00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/    02:40 – John Strand Info  03:31 - ILF  04:51 - Ryan intro  06:30 – Chat about Chris getting his company started  08:21 - How did you get started with your own company?  12:17 - Cows  14:56 – The idea of travel and never seeing your family  15:57 - What was the point where you started to feel “this company is going to work”  18:35 – Creating company loyalty  22:06 - “Pay What You Can” training  30:22 – More on how the pandemic changed workflow  34:03 – More on pay-what-you-can training – management of 5,000 people  41:41 – How can someone take action right now?  44:59 – Favorite Books  Dune  All the Birds In The Sky – Charlie Jane Anders - https://amzn.to/3I9lu75  We - Yevgeny Zamyatin - https://amzn.to/3Ihoy1b  The Master and Margarita – Mikhail Bulgakov - https://amzn.to/3Kl6t3R  The Mistborn Series – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/33qcnQH  The Way of The Kings – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/3tuF1uJ  47:55 – Who is your biggest mentor  Ed Skoudis  51:34 – Guest Wrap-Up  52:30 - Outro