Dr. Joel talks with his friend, mentor, and pastor Dr. Derwin Gray in this discussion. Pastor Derwin shares his story from playing in the NFL to pastoring Transformation Church in Fort Mill, SC. We get honest about weakness, vulnerability, and why Humility is the way for the people of God. 📕 Preorder Dr. Joel's Book, "The Hidden Peace: Finding True Security, Strength, and Confidence Through Humility" 📚 If you want to learn how to move beyond reading the Bible to actually understanding it, Dr. Joel created a new course “How To Read and Understand the Bible: An Introduction To Hermeneutics” for you!